[quote=Ltc4h;10239]Ok,
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I don't think I've ever seen a horse that was shod for more than a year, that didn't have white line damage. Anyone who helps lots of horses return to a barefoot condition, comes to recognize that horseshoes (plus infrequent trimming due to shoeing) do damage the feet. Most feet are going to be sore for a while after you pull the shoes -- fronts much more than hinds, because they carry more of the horse's weight.
I don't know who the "They" is that you speak of, but I do certainly agree with excess shoeing causing white line damage. So put me in with the "they," people, along with most any Professional Barefoot specialist. Very correct quote- I agree with it. Not sure why you want to seperate me from other people who say this, as I would say the same. Yes, most horses will be sore after pulling shoes.
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In general, it takes about a year of correct care before the de-shod hoof returns to the complete soundness it had before-shoes.
It actually doesn't have to take that long to rehab a hoof. Through correct trimming techniques, the hoof can regrow totally new sole, frog, and especially all wall layers- TOP to BOTTOM in as little as 5 months. May be less, but this is the shortest time frame I have heard of thus far. You might find more info in hoofrehab.
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They say; Chief among these is displacement of the third phalanx (P3), which is the underlying problem responsible for the clinical hallmarks of chronic laminitis: chronic lameness, recurrent foot abscesses, and abnormal hoof wall growth ( Hood 1999; Morgan et al 1999; Pollitt 1999).
Rotation of P3 is the most common form of displacement and has several clinically important consequences. With rotation, weight bearing is concentrated at the apex of P3, which causes focal pressure on the solar corium in that area. Pain is the most obvious and most urgent consequence. Ischemia of the solar corium (and probably of the tip of P3) is also an important sequela, as it retards sole growth (Redden 1997; Hood 199
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Etc etc... Yes, I certainly am quite aware of the term "rotation of P3." However, this is easily misunderstood in it's term. The rotation of P3 is NOT P3 alone WITHIN the hoof capsule, though the capsule around it can move- P3 isn't going anywhere by itself. It never does. However, being within the capsule, when capsule moves/rotates (whatever term you like) of course P3 is inside. But no- alone, not moving. That is the term Rotation of P3. Hope that makes sense to you. May check it out at hoofrehab.com- or some other sites (I can find for you if you like) you may understand it better.
Most professionals realize P3 can drop into a low position in the hoof capsule. Few realize this can be reversed. Nothing is dreaded or feared quite like "the sinker", but it doesn't have to be a death sentence. Yes, P3 can settle.
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After you pull the shoes, there is a rehabilitation period of several months to well over a year, depending on the amount of internal damage in the foot. Increased blood flow starts to rebuild internal structures that were damaged by the shoes. Until the rebuilding is complete, most horses are sore and will need hoof boots to ride on gravel roads, rocky trails, or frozen ground.
Misunderstood you. My thoughts were that our first subject was on already healthy, decently sound barefooted hooves. NO- AFTER a trim with this type of hoof- if hoof is already fairly sound- should NEVER be footsore or lame or farrier has made a mistake.
For a hoof with shoes just pulled- OF COURSE- NO BRAINER. More than likely if that hoof was been standing on a steel shoe for a long period of time, will probably be foot sore until transition completes back to barefooting normal. Whether or not this type of hoof is trimmed- if it's already sore from the new barefoot stage- a correct barefoot trim method is NOT what is causing the lameness/soreness. It sounded like you were trying to mix two different subjects. These are two totally different hooves. But- in simple sentance: No Barefoot Trim method (If issued correctly) should cause any soreness- even if the hoof is already foot sore from having a shoe. Trim should never make that worse. A Barefoot Farrier who is tried and true to his technique, will tell you this.
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The transition period is over when the sole regains concavity.
Yes in general, but does depend upon location, diet, terrain, and horse's workload as Cuttin74 has stated.
A barefoot horse traveling over arena, dirt, gravel, pasture- will have more concavity than that of a barefoot horse traveling over substance such as asphalt (Buggy/ carriage horse). That sole is really going to thicken, especially at the toe, and more so at quarters than the first horse, making the hoof alot less concave than the first horse. Just going to depend upon the terrain, workload- and so forth.
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Everyone has a different way to interpret the same information.
You are 150% correct! I can see by your reply, that there were both things that appear as though you misunderstood some of my words, and things that I misunderstood concerning some of your words. I do apologize for the confusion- hooves are a very complex matter. Thanks for discussing with me, I find this subject incredibly interesting and though I am a farrier, I still love discussing.
It would be certainly convenient if farrier's had the schooling of trimming a little more. It's quite a bit more complex than the average farrier takes into consideration.