i will tighten the cinch up, attatch the breast collar, then bridle him. then mostly gab with everyone else riding with me a spell. i then stretch his front legs, and tighten the cinch up( as he's usually blown out some by then) then, step into the saddle. most of the time about ten minutes later out on the trail i stop check everything and tighten the cinch again. sometimes i'll get about an inch out of it. he gives me no problem at this point. just during the initial saddleing and just before i step into the saddle.

over the past two weeks i have still had the problem, just not as bad. i now have the mohair cinch, and it seems he fights it less. where he would at times try to walk out from under the saddle and nearly knock me down, he might side step a little and that's about it now. i think maybe this whole deal would have been averted had i used one to start with.

thanks for the advice though.