you are right that he sees you as the heard mare, but you need to establish this with everyone else at your barn who works him too. as you know, there are a lot of groundwork exercises that you can do with him that will make that next step in the saddle so much easier. when you lounge him, how do you go about it, do you drive him frim his haunches or shoulder. we drive them from the shoulder area. I have done work with Chris Lombard at several clincs and my stallion has done great with them. i have faith that you will find out what makes him tick an eventually he will work for others. my stallion will get bored, but he is old enough to change the work up with riding..