Ok, well I figured I would get y'alls opinion on this. I just got hired to train this horse, he is a stallion and is about 3 years old. He has never had any training, he is a very friendly animal, now I had to get the halter on him wow was that a task...I have had a bit in his mouth because he was being pretty tame, but only once. Now The people that want me to train him do not want a whip used on him, they want him completely broken.

I can only work with him every weekend because of my work schedule. He will not lead he will refuse to lead and pretty much a stubborn horse when it comes to that. Now you can make all over him pet him comb him do anything pretty much, but lead, bridle, ride this animal.

I am running short on ideas since I do not use a whip. I have spent the last month working with him thats including putting the halter on him and pretty much getting him used to me.

I do go to there house and they have about 5 other horses 3 females they do not have a round pin, and do not want to put one up...

Any suggestions or ideas would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Hi Sup,

I am by no means a trainer, but when my horse got stubborn and didn't want to move forward I would put the lunge lead around his rump and put the pressure on as I was pulling on the halter. Music has had a professional trainer, but that was when he was three, three years ago. Since then he has been pastured with the mares without a job and so he would get stubborn every now and then. It worked with him, hopefully it will work with your horse.

I have also seen trainers use other horses in tandum.

Good Luck!

Well, not having a roundpen is a real hindrance. But you can accomplish a lot of the same things with a longline. When you say they don't want a whip used on him, do they mean they don't want you to USE a whip, or just that they don't want you to whip the horse? I always use a longe whip at least at first, but rarely very touch any horse with it except to scratch them and show affection (so they aren't scared of the whip, and think of it as an extension of my hand). If the owners don't want you to use any kind of stimulus to make him move, they need to resign themselves to having a horse that won't move.

Another thing you should be doing since you have him in a halter, is to disengage the hind end, keeping his nose bent toward you while you pressure his rear to cross over and pivot. Usually nothing more than the pressure of your thumb in front of his hip will get it started. Then get the front end to disengage similarly. Also, do a lot of backing. Once he's moving freely off his front end, his back end and backs up willingly that he'll be much easier to get moving forward.

I don't favor trying to directly pressure a horse to move forward until I can get him to move in every other direction first.

Not what you want to hear, BUT he needs a professional and more than just weekends.
WHY ??? Is he a stallion-superior bloodlines, relatives are great performance horses, the last living being in his bloodline.
Stallions should NEVER be taken for granted and never dealt with other than professionals. And if not all of the above are not needed as a breeding animal and it is in everyones best interest horse/humans to make him a gelding.
He is quite now, he is just coming into sexual maturity, in about a month or two he will become what is considered unpredicatable. When he smells ovulation and he will, in people or horses smells the same to him. He will not be the la-la-la I'm so nice, just be my friend.
This is the voice of reason. If you are here asking for help, you are already in over your head. For everyones safety it would be best to politely back out or once he's gelded you can try, then you will have much more room for trial/error without getting yourself the horse or someone else hurt.

Definately agree that if he doesn't want to move forward than move him in a different direction. They don't like going backwards and after a couple hundred feet they are normally pretty willing to go forward. A round pen would be beneficial and I would suggest that you have the owners put one up since he and his owners will need the use of it the rest of the horses life. There are other tools besides a whip, their are sticks that flags can be attached to. Carrying one of these can be a good source of motivation and is not a whip. Maybe try asking the owners what is their fear with whips about and then explaining that even the top trainers of "Natural horsemanship" techniques all use some type of whip, stick/flag, stick/string, etc. Maybe find out which that they would prefer you use.

Good luck

a great place to start is with the work of Linda Tellington-Jones, TTouch an TTEAM. Perfect for horses when you don't want to use a whip. Concentrates on understanding, rather than dominance, which you don't want to get into with a stallion. Look her up online or go to a bookstore. It's simple. Anybody can do it. Good luck!

well...thanks for all the advice...actually now they are gelding him because they have about 6 other horse and just had a baby...so they dont want any more...so yea...he does do a lot better now tho just from working with him.